Just found out that one of the most respectable seniors in tkd is actually a mahjong king called Ah-B** and also an ex-head of a samseng group in PJ. Wahhh, I admired him so much and thought he's the person with great personality and background etc.etc. I was damned wrong!! So tkd can't really disciplined you, it actually depends on individuals lah. You can train to be highly a disciplined martial artist but at the same time people can't stop you from being a samseng jalanan, still have the discipline and loyalty what, but directed to the wrong angle lah. I'm going to bed and would try to figure out how NOT to expect too much from people because most of the time you'll get upset and frustrated with the real thing.